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Namor vs. Raiden

The last  Vs. match-up put mighty Sabretooth of Marvel against an over-matched Blanka from Streetfighter.  Ultimately, Blanca’s downfall was directly correlated to his name being translated into Whitey and having grass stains on his flesh to explain his green skin.  Victor Creed is still picking bits out of his teeth.

In the next installment of Vs. I’m continuing with the superhero battle against video game icon.  I’m also increasing the power levels, ass kicking probability, and metropolis collateral damage.  Time for some punches that send the combatants through a couple of buildings.  Time for some innocent citizens to run in terror as two titans battle in downtown.  It’s a battle of elements – air vs. water.  The Prince of the Atlantean Empire vs. the God of Storms.

It’s Namor the Sub-Mariner vs. Raiden the Thunder God.

Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner vs Raiden, the God of Storms

Namor: It’s always interesting to start digging into comic book history and if you’re researching the Submariner, you’re going back to the Golden Age of comics.  His first appearance was in 1939.  Shee-it.  I did not know that.  That’s nearly 70 years.

The inspiration and origin of the superhero in its creation and development is an important point.  I looked and Aqua Man first appeared in 1941.  I was worried that he was the Marvel spin-off of the a DC Comics character, which would have been a death sentence.  But I can breathe a sigh of relief that he’s not.  And based on the similar scale mail in the other underwater hero, I think its safe to say that Aqua Man is instead carrying Namor’s green, armored jock.

Namor is famous in comics lore because he’s the first anti-hero.  He’s not evil, but put plainly he’s an asshole.  When it comes to superheroes that are jerks, let me quote from the Book of Jules:

Vincent: But bacon tastes good, pork chops taste good…

Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, But I’d never know ’cause I wouldn’t eat the filthy motherfuckers.  Pigs sleep and root in shit, that’s a filthy animal.  I don’t eat nothin’ that ain’t got sense enough to disregard its own feces.

Vincent: How about a dog? A dog eats its own feces

Jules: I don’t eat dog either

Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?

Jules: I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy, but it’s definitely dirty.  But, dogs got personality, personality goes a long way.

I couldn’t feel more strongly about Namor in the same context.  He’s got personality and while he sits idly eating shell fish while the annoying, Terran grandpa is falling down a flight of steps, despite himself he’s likable.  Even in the early days, he was thumping the Human Torch and the other goodies, but when WWII rolled around, he fought against the U-boats and Nazis.  I respect a guy that does his own thing.

Here’s another claim to fame for the Submariner.  He’s the product of an Atlantean mother, Princess Fen, and a human father, Captain Leonard McKenzie.  As a hybrid, his powers and features are a mix of both genetic pools, but … inexplicably he’s got powers that neither side possesses.  Such as the power of flight.  Not to mention, he’s a hell of a lot stronger than either side.  So there you go, he’s also the first mutant.

His powers are exceptional.  First and most obvious, he’s completely amphibious.  Unlike other amphibians, he doesn’t dry out on land.  Namor’s completely fine in either setting.  You can also make the claim that he’s got some degree of immortality or at least anti-aging cream because he’s unchanged after 70 years of comic book action.  Primary among his powers is his strength.  Namor has battled the Hulk and Thor in hand to hand combat.  I’d put him in line with the Thing in terms of strength, a challenge for the biggies, but ultimately having to rely more on peripheral powers and quick thinking to win.  Now if part of his body is touching the sea or he gets wet, he’s much stronger.

The other powers are truly the result of living on the bottom of the sea.  He’s body is denser than normal humans, meaning that he can withstand ocean floor pressure and thereby physical damage in general.  The cold of the oceans has also made him resistance to freezing attacks.  He’ll also make Michael Phelps his bitch in any stroke imaginable with his hyper swimming.  He’s also unaffected by the viscosity of water, able to move and fight freely.  I already mentioned that he can fly, though not very fast.  He’s the moped of fliers.

For those Marvel game nerds out there, he’s a refresher of his FASERIP: Incredible, Remarkable, Monstrous, Amazing, Typical, Remarkable, and Incredible.  He’s a great fighter, hella strong, not too smart, but head strong.

One last note, a Namor movie is in the works with rumors of the Rock playing the lead.

Raiden: While Mortal Kombat first came out in 1992 as a response to Capcom’s Streetfighter II, Raiden is based on the actual mythological being from Japanese mythology (Raijin). In those depictions, he’s an evil demon that plagues the islands.  This is a typical representation of the animistic concept of storms in early societies.  It makes life harder, seems like a curse, and is thus anthropomorphically manifested into an evil, vengeful spirit that must be satiated or appeased.

I’ll have to admit that I hate the graphics of MK.  It’s not very exciting to watch a digitized, fat redneck do side kicks that don’t get above his waist (see Johnny Cage).  I think when they play tested the game, the designers were like, “um … this sucks.  How about we add a lot of gratuitous blood?”  And there you go, history is made.  To put it more adroitly, the MK graphics reminds me of the LotR rotoscoping of Shaka-Zulu scenes.

That’s not to say that MK is all bad.  It did bring us quotes like, “Test your might” and “Fatality” and “Sub-zero vs. Liu Kang – Round 1 – Fight!” and “Flawless Victory”.  These were my mainstays during college intramurals and fraternity hazing.

Here’s another tidbit that John Carpenter fans already know.  The god Raiden has been around forever, but the MK conceptualization comes directly from Big Trouble in Little China.  The movie came out in 1986.  While he scores low on the originality score, I can think of a lot of other movies that would be worse to look for ideas.

Did you know that MK was originally supposed to be a Van Damme tribute game?  Johnny Cage even had a do the splits, nut punch in homage to Bloodsport.  In Kickboxer, a drunk Jean Claude gets drunk and dances with a couple of Thai hookers (funny how drama mirrors real-life).  So in that context, Raiden comes out looking awesome.

Raiden was my favorite character in the series.  I like the mysteriousness of the covered, glowing eyes and the ripples of electrical energy coursing through his body.  Let’s review his powers.  He could shoot electrical missiles, teleport by calling down lightning and disappearing into the sky, and most impressively fly across the screen in a burst of energy and drive his opponent into a wall.  Like Namor, he can fly and much more skillfully, as well.

The key of Raiden’s powers and fighting styles is his supply of electrical energy.  As the MK franchise developed, variations on this theme were developed.  I think my favorite fatality is when he grabs his opponent and channels so much power into their body that their head explodes.  Darryl Revok eat your heat out.  All over the world, prepubescent teens immediately started into a Butthead gurgle of dumb laughter at the sight of it.

As we saw with Blanka, video games do suffer from quality control when it comes to movies.  Unfortunately, in a good Mortal Kombat first movie and equally good title song, he was played by Christopher Lambert as a wafer-eating hippie with a Hellen Mirren haircut.  Lambert will always get his props as Highlander, but this is horrible casting.  The character is subjected to further humiliation when in Mortal Kombat: Annihilation he’s played by an equally non-threatening James Remar.  Couldn’t they just hire THE Lightning from Big Trouble – let me help, his name is James Pax.  Please, please, please give him a call for Mortal Kombat: Devastation (2010).

Results: Before anyone plays the “Raiden’s a god, Namor’s a mortal” card, let’s remember that Raiden is beatable as seen in the Mortal Kombat games.  As a playable character, that means that other martial artists can beat him.  Now is it realistic that types of Shang Tsung, Raiden, and Goro can be beaten by Sonya Blade?  No.  For Christ’s sake, she’s wearing leg warmers.

So here’s the logical premise that we’re working under – Raiden is beatable despite his cosmic status, but much tougher than the necessary game balance inserted into the arcade.  With that said, apparently Raiden cannot be killed – but temporarily destroyed until his essence reforms.  Let me check with the judges – yes, that would in fact count as as victory if it happened.

Since both of these combatants can fly, let’s say our battle happens during a ferocious and massive storm over the North Atlantic lobster grounds.  Mark Wahlberg and George Clooney can be our witnesses.  Oops.

Namor in the water, Raiden in the thunderheads.  So who wins?

I’m going to give the edge of strength to Namor.  Decisively, in fact.  He’s clearly stronger in every representation, particularly when fighting near water.  In addition, Namor is a highly skilled in fighting, comparable perhaps to Raiden’s Nanquan kung fu.  Any time this battle goes to hand to hand or wrestling, Namor is going to bend and break Raiden’s bones.  But here’s the out clause, Raiden channels forth his energy to immolate his body sending millions of Jiggawatts into Namor and then calls to the thunderous skies and teleports out of the Atlantean prince’s death grip.

Raiden can also fly much faster and much more maneuverably than the Submariner, so he’ll be able to keep his distance and blast him with bolts of electricity.  Things are not looking good for Namor at this point.  His only option is to stay beneath the water in hopes of delivering a finishing blow in a burst from the raging seas before Raiden can fly/teleport/immolate or … even better … for Raiden to enter into the watery realm to chase his foe.

My vote is that Raiden is not a complete idiot and doesn’t do it.  Instead he stays above the water, antagonizing is foe with blasts into the tide and vicious insults.  Namor in his notorious hotheadedness leaves the water (remember Reason: Typical 6) and gets blasted into unconsciousness by the full might of the storm god.  BOOM!  Fight over.

But we’ve got a happy ending for once, boys and girls.  Once recovered and in true anti-hero fashion, Namor casts aside his differences and unites with Raiden.  After their battle, together they travel south and sink Japanese whalers near the Antartic to fight eco-terrorism and commercialism, leaving thousands of Tokyo sailors adrift in the dark, icy seas for Cthulu to use as hors d’oeuvres for his pals, Hastur and Yog-Sothoth.  Yay, hump back whales!

The End.

9 comments

9 Comments so far

  1. Johnnie August 1st, 2008 2:37 pm

    Van Damme got drunk with the hookers in Kickboxer… but the point is taken…

    LUCKY: good catch, fixed.

  2. John August 1st, 2008 4:52 pm

    Explain FASERIP, please. Maybe an entire column is necessary. Sounds like a fascinating theory/scale/whatever-the-hell-it-is.

  3. Rob August 1st, 2008 6:13 pm

    FASERIP: Fighting – Agility – Strength – Endurance – Reason – Intuition – Pysche. It’s the core abilities for the Marvel superheroes game. The sum of FASE equals a character’s Health and the sum of RIP equals their starting Karma.

    Each ability can have the following ranks: Shift 0 (0), Feeble (2), Poor (4), Typical (6), Good (10), Excellent (20), Remarkable (30), Incredible (40), Amazing (50), Monstrous (75), Unearthly (100), Shift X (150), Shift Y (250), Shift Z (500), Class 1000 (1000), Class 3000 (3000), Class 5000 (5000), and Beyond.

    So let’s assume that John the Destroyer has a strength of Incredible. That contributes 40 points towards your Health and allows you to do 40 points of hand to hand damage, lift 10 tons, etc.

    To give you a concrete example, Let’s examine Captain America’s FASERIP abilities:

    F: Amazing (50) *beyond human ability
    A: Incredible (40) *Olympic gymnast
    S: Excellent (20) *able to lift 800.lbs
    E: Remarkable (30) *marathon runner
    R: Good (10)
    I: Incredible (40)
    P: Remarkable (30)
    Health: 140
    Karma: 80 (Starting)

    To put his Health into perspective, normal people are around 30 to 40, while Thor is at 270. Hulk is 320. :)

  4. Moochie August 15th, 2008 9:52 am

    Namor is not harmed by electrical attacks…

    After he was revived yet again in the 1960s by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Namor demonstrated powers that had not been shown in earlier stories. In The Fantastic Four #9 (Dec. 1962), he states, “I have the powers of all the creatures who live beneath the sea! I can charge the very air with electricity — using the power of the electric eel!” In the same issue, “the radar sense of the cave fish from the lowest depths of the sea” enables him to sense the presence of Sue Storm when she is invisible. He uses “the power to surround himself with electricity in the manner of an electric eel” again in Strange Tales #107 (April 1963)

    Because of his unusual genetic heritage, Namor is unique among both ordinary humans and Atlanteans; he is sometimes referred to as “Marvel’s first mutant,” because, while the majority of his observed superhuman powers come from the fact that he’s a hybrid of Human and Atlantean DNA, his ability to fly can’t be explained by either side. (Atlanteans are an off-shoot of “baseline” humanity.) Namor possesses a fully amphibious physiology suited for extreme undersea pressures, superhuman strength, speed, stamina, endurance and durability, flight, telepathic control over marine life, a radar sense, electrical powers, and slowed aging. Namor has the ability to survive underwater for indefinite periods, and specially developed vision which gives him the ability to see clearly in the murky depths of the ocean.

    Namor wins hands down….Do better research.

  5. Rob August 15th, 2008 5:48 pm

    Moochie.

    Before you comment, read my article from start to finish.

    Most of the points that you make I’ve already mentioned, so when you scan down to the end and see who I predict wins and then get your Sub-Mariner undies in a bunch, you’re not going to make a great argument.

    The only real point that you mentioned was his electrical powers. Let me brush off my “research” skills and show you why it wasn’t included:

    Like any character that has been in print for decades (and Namor longer than others), his canon set of powers has fluctuated dramatically as different authors play with the character. For instance, one author gave the entire X-Men team complete immunity to digital recording – video, cameras, heat sensors, etc. Do you consider that part of Wolverine’s canon of powers? Neither does Marvel.

    Did you know that Jack Kirby and Stan Lee also said that he had sonar to find Invisible Girl (The Fantastic Four #9 – Dec. 1962)? That he could swell up like a puffer fish (Strange Tales – April 1963)? This is when they re-introduced Namor in the early 1960s, the original creator Bill Everett did not include any of those powers.

    To make matters more interesting (and me more right of course), all of these “extra” powers were completely ignored in Namor’s own series (Tales To Astonish #70 Aug. 1965). In fact, Mooch, Marvel even put in an editor’s note in Marvel Tales #9 (July 1967), a reprint story from Strange Tales #107, which stated explicitly that “nautical Namor has since lost his power to imitate the characteristics of fish….”

    Hmmm. How does all Mr. High and Mighty sound now?

    So let’s just assume then that Namor does have the power to generate electricity AND the extra added power to electrical resistance just to make the Namor fanboy happy. These powers come from the creatures of the sea. An electric eel, which by the way is a fresh water fish, generates 500 volts with about five thousand electroplaques. That gives him the power to stun little fish. Neat!

    Raiden as the god of lightning and thunder can create real lightning, which (get ready for this) produces 3 BILLION volts. Of course, the voltage is dependent on the length of the bolt, about 3 million volts per meter. True lightning is 3x the heat of the sun or about 10,000 degrees Celsius. Does Namor have Heat Immunity too?

    Namor’s electric eel abilities don’t seem that great in comparison. The Hulk for instance can absorb tank rounds without blinking … does that mean he’s invulnerable to physical attacks? Nope. Just ask the Abomination, who has beaten the Hulk several times.

    Namor gets owned … just like you did. Thanks for reading!

  6. Johnnie August 16th, 2008 3:31 pm

    Yeouch…. Served…..

  7. moochie August 17th, 2008 11:02 am

    Very good you where a worthy foe….But take your KO

    Absorbs millions of volts of electricity and discharges it against Hulk.

    Nice little pic also

    http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/2784/namorfeat235rn.gif

    As for heat let me stomp you while your unconscious…

    Resists Human Torch who is as hot as Sun (nova), and carries him to water to save his life.

    Nice little pic also

    http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9233/namorfeat41zp.gif

    As for the Hulk being vulnerable to attacks….Namor should know he has beaten him. Namor has survived a blast from a nuclear weapon inches from his face.

    I write none of this stating Raiden wouldn’t win. I just think you should have done more research on Namor. He is very resistant to the attacks you stated would harm him . Plus who cares if he loses….Namor’s a pimp….

    http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namor492ng.gif

  8. Rob August 18th, 2008 1:18 am

    Thanks, I will accept a KO. Nice of you to admit defeat.

    Your points on Namor’s resilience are noted, but he can’t match the mobility of Raiden (flight AND teleportation). My conclusion stands.

    By the way, Namor is not the LL Cool J type pimp, he’s more of an Ike Turner. How many surface women has he abducted back to his Atlantean king-sized beds, including Sue Richards?

  9. John August 18th, 2008 8:57 am

    As I read this exchange, being someone who had to ask what FASERIP meant, I have to concur with the sentiment expressed so deftly in the phrase “…and then get your Sub-Mariner undies in a bunch, you’re not going to make a great argument.”. Moochie, I’m afraid you come off sounding exactly like the kid everyone pictures in their mind upon reading that phrase. And your bi-curious fascination with Namor is a little unsettling.